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yorkie9668

Hi all, I am 41 and live in Yorkshire, my name is Mark and I live with my partner Sarah, we are expecting our first daughter in two weeks.

 

To cut a long story short I became ill back in late 1999, the docs said it was exhaustion, but after further checks I was diagnosed with M.E. ( CFS), although this did not affect my everyday life, I kept working, but over the years it has got worse, I have had periods off work due to very bad fatigue.

 

About 5 weeks ago my symptoms took a major dive, I became very dizzy, disorientated, and driving my 44t lorry around europe was not possible, I was and still am in agony, but my docs keep saying it is M.E. I am not too sure anymore.

 

Quite by chance I saw a different doctor 2 weeks ago, she noticed that I had a Tremor down my right side, she asked how long I had had this, I explained that I started to notice it a few years earlier, but recently it had become violent sometimes, I also get major headaches, mainly down my right side of my head all the way down to my neck.

 

I never once thought about MS, but my partners mother questioned my symptoms, and was shocked to hear them, she used to be a nurse, and her step-daughter has just being diagnosed with MS, she made me aware at how simialiar our symptoms seemed.

 

Also I have had bowel problems for years, my previous doctors sent me for a colonoscapy 2 years ago, Sarah's mum was shocked that they never tied both illnesses together.

 

Gladly the Doctor I saw 2 weeks ago has requested a visit to a Neurologist in York, so that I can have an MRi, maybe we will get to the bottom of it, driving has become dangerous, so I have stopped, I see double most of the day, and I am sick of the grey blotches in my vision.

 

Maybe it is M.E. maybe not, but I can see the similarities with my symtoms with MS rather than M.E.

 

If you can help then please respond or PM me.

 

Many many thanks in advance, a very worried and confused Yorkshireman

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Tania B

Welcome here. I am fairly new here myself but I think it will help for you to see a neurologist to try to make sense of your symptoms.

 

Wishing you well.

Tania

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Mandy

Hi there,. :hugs2:

 

I also am new to this site but I just had to respond to your post. 4 years ago I had and attack of symptoms ie. balance problems, fatigue, vision bluryness with pain and strange sensations in my limbs. After an MRI which showed lesions that were small and punctate but not sugestive of MS, one neurologist said he didnt know what was wrong and the other said ME.

This MRI was taken only a couple of months after the start of my symptoms. So away I went thinking hmmm ME although from research I thought it was more like symptoms of MS.

Now I am 6 weeks out from another similar attack but this time I am still having problems with my left hand. I am due back at the neurologists in a week to be assest again. From what I read , MS and ME are very similar in symptoms and the only way to tell them apart is evidence on the MRI which needs to show up lesions in certain areas that correspond to an MS dx.

 

These lesions can take months or years to appear especially in the early stages hence why some people take years to get an MS dx. I am 42 years old and was 37 when it first started. Like you I have had other problems that could actually be connected to the same problems ....for instance, trigeminal neuralgia, numb soles of feet, burning , tingling etc.

 

You certainly have my sympathy as It can be a scary, frustrating time, knowing that there is really something wrong with you but not knowing for sure what it is .... and thinking the ME dx doesnt really fit.

 

I hope you get the answers you need , but an appointment at the neurologist and an MRI is the way to go. Good luck and keep us informed with your progress as I for one am very interested to know what they say. :you-rock:

 

Cheers

Mandy

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Hezza

Hi Yorkie & :you-rock:

Diagnosis neurological problems can sometimes be a long and difficult process - often it is a process of elimination or fulfilling certain criteria that get us our answers. Also lots of conditions can be very similar - ME and MS included.

It sounds like you're on the right path now with a Neurologist appointment and MRI in the offing.

When you go to see your Neuro it might help to take along a list of the symptoms which you've been having and also feel free to take your wife, or someone else, as support to the appointment. It's good to have an extra set of ears.

 

Have you discussed your visual symptoms with your doctor or optician? If not please get them checked out - they may or may not be related.

 

Oh and congratulations on your impending new arrival :hugs2:


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Dianni

Hi Yorkie and :hugs2: from another Tyke lol

 

I can only reiterate what Cara has said. Neurological disorders are notoriously difficult to diagnose. Many disorders of the central nervous system mimic each other by their very nature. It is indeed often a case of elimination. As, unfortunately, many members here can testify, it can take an inordinate length of time to get a diagnosis and even more sadly, some nevere get answers.

 

Having said all that, from what you have said, it seems that at least you are being taken seriously and the tests you are expecting will hopefully provide you with some answers.

 

I also agree with Cara that it might be worth getting your eyes checked, even if only to eliminate anything else.

 

Many congratulations on the imminent arrival of your baby!

 

Hugs

Di

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yorkie9668

Many thanks for the replies.

 

I am a little worried with the obvious lack of support or advice my Doctors have given me over the last 9+ years, everytime I have been to see a Doctor I have been told to exercise more, this makes me more lathargic, and fatigued, and the general concensus is exercise is not the best thing.

 

Where do I go from here?

 

That is a good question, yes I have the Neurology and possible MRi to maybe give me the truth, but why are suspected M.E. sufferers not given an MRi in the first place?

 

Personally I am a little sceptical regarding my original diagnosis, from what I can gather people with MS normally start with mild symptoms, so it is very hard to diagnose, my symptoms now are nearly disabling, and with our daughter due soon I am worried, I am so worried I do not know if I can pick her up, my shake down my right side worrys me, even picking up a cup of coffee is scary.

 

One of my Doctors had the cheek to ask me what I had done with my life over the last 9 years, asking if I had M.E. how come I managed to keep working on and off, he seemed to disbeleive that I had an illness at all, well I wish I was well and this would just go away, but seen as it won't I would like to know what it is?

 

Also another major point, why do Doctors insist on giving sufferers or suspected sufferers of M.E. anti-depressants?

They have never ever help my symptoms, they do nothing at all, but they also keep trying to give me them, I am not depressed, well according to very close friends I am 100% normal, but the Docs keep trying to give me things I do not want.

 

Like a few have said hopefully I will get the truth after my MRi scan, and I can at least then try to sort my life out, but I am so worried it is still diaganosed as M.E. and the disbelief this carries with the general UK public, even some family members say it is all in my head, get up and motivate yourself etc etc.......

 

Thanks again, I will keep you updated on the diagnosis, but it won't be before Novemeber, Mark

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Christina

Hi and welcome from me too

 

I am glad you're getting an MRI, which might give you something more definite. I waited about 10 years for my MS diagnosis and suffered lots of the symptoms you describe, including the dizziness/vertigo problem. Nothing showed on brain MRI for 10 years and I think it is true that it can take a long time to show up in some people's cases. But then a neuro decided to check my spinal cord and brain and there it was clearly showing on my cervical spine. How long it had been there it's hard to know but I was having some pretty extreme symptoms at the time they decided to do more MRIs.

 

Good luck with it all and congratulations on the baby!!

 

Chris x


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Lindyloo

:hugs2: Hi Mark

Welcome to the Gang...

 

I am so sorry that you are having a rough time of it all... but i am glad you are on the right road to find out whats going on - Write down and keep a diary of all symptoms no matter how small you might think it is.. as this could be so important to giving you a diagnosis.. We dont think its in your head you know your body isnt right ... dont worry about what anynone else thinks..

I know its hard Mark but for now stick with us lot we will help you through it.... the advice and support here is superb... Stay strong you will get some answers soon..

 

Congrats on being a Daddy

 

Chat you soon


LindyLoo xx

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linds

Hi Mark (Dads),

Mine shoed up on cervical spine also lke Christina....push them fr a dx please. LINDSXX


Lindsx

 

 

 

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tdkstratus

Hi Mark

 

I'm sorry that you're having a hard time and I'm especially upset by the way your doctor treated you. I think I was one of the lucky ones as my MS was found with lesions on the brain. It all started with the optic neuritis 3 years ago but no other symptoms, so the docs just left it to run its course. When it happened again more severe this year, they thoroughly tested and found the MS.

 

I found that pestering docs and specialists is the best way to get answers. If they didn't help the first time, keep going back until you get an answer or ask to see a different doc/specialist.

 

I agree with others have said, stick with us and we'll help you through. If you ever need to rant, we'll listen. If you ever need support, we're always here. Don't be afraid to put down what you feel, we'll always give you supportive and honest answers that will help.

 

Keep us up to date with what's been going on.


Terri

 

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Michelle
Hi Yorkie & :welcome:

Diagnosis neurological problems can sometimes be a long and difficult process - often it is a process of elimination or fulfilling certain criteria that get us our answers. Also lots of conditions can be very similar - ME and MS included.

It sounds like you're on the right path now with a Neurologist appointment and MRI in the offing.

When you go to see your Neuro it might help to take along a list of the symptoms which you've been having and also feel free to take your wife, or someone else, as support to the appointment. It's good to have an extra set of ears.

 

I can only echo what Cara has already stated. I am in a slightly different position than yourself,having had a firm diagnosis of MS,only to have that revoked by an MS Specialist. My neuro is keeping an open mind at the moment,but another specialist that I'm under has given me a dx of CFS. The problem with this for me, is that CFS label dosen't cover all my symptoms. I have multiple lesions on my brain,and they are positioned in a area that MS lesions like to hang out. However, you can also have lesions with CFS.

One of the things that I would suggest is to keep a good relationship with your g.p, and specialists. Plus, make sure your symptoms and how they are affecting your lifestyle are documented. This way it helps you and the specialist build up a history of symptoms.

I wish you all the best in your quest to find out what's wrong with you. We all know and understand that it can be a long road to a diagnosis,and it can be very frustrating.

The forum has a wealth of info,and so does the MS Trust UK. So, please browse.

 

Regards

 

Michelle :hearts_circle:

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Scully

Hi Yorkie,

 

Welcome. And congratulatins on your impending new arrival. How fantastic!

 

Stcik with this forum, who are caring and have a wealth of information.

 

Try to keep a good relationship with all the GP and doctors. You seem to be going down the right road, and an MRi and Neuro consult will hopefully, give you the answers that you need, then you can deal with it and move on

 

Let us know when the baby arrives !

 

Scully

x


They are not brain lesions..........they are just bright ideas

 

"The truth is out there"

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yorkie9668

Still no Baby, 11 days O.N.O. and counting LOL

 

Many many thanks for all the replies offering support, it is great to know there are people out there who understand without predjudice.

 

Maybe I will get the answers, maybe I won't but at least I am now going in the right direction after more than 10 years of living with the unknown, I just want to know what has caused my pain, and if there is a way we can manage it.

 

Yesterday I bought a 2009/2010 Diary and 3 coloured pens, so that I can keep a note of my symptoms, Black for a Normal day, Blue for a bad day and red for a really bad day with possible new symptoms, a few people have advised this and I think it is a great idea.

I will say this mind you, I have noticed a decreased downturn in my writing and neatness, so it will be interesting daily to see if it changes and if my writing suffers more.

 

I will keep you all posted on our Daughters arrival as soon as she makes an appearance, again many thanks, Mark

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tdkstratus

Hiya

 

That's a great idea with the diary. I wish someone mentioned that to me when I was having a relapse. If you don't mind, I think I'll borrow your idea and make up a diary for myself in case it happens again.

 

Hope you are keeping well.


Terri

 

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yorkie9668
Hiya

 

That's a great idea with the diary. I wish someone mentioned that to me when I was having a relapse. If you don't mind, I think I'll borrow your idea and make up a diary for myself in case it happens again.

 

Hope you are keeping well.

 

 

Go ahead, was not originally my idea, but still the same it makes great sense, always handy to have the ammunition for the quacks when they fire blanks at you lol

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gillshutt

Hi and welcome to the forum but so sorry you are suffering. I do hope the neurologist can get to the bottom of it and you get your MRI soon.

 

If all comes back negative then I would look into fibromyalgia which is similar to ME and MS but, unlike ME, there is widespread pain. The latest research suggests a central nervous system disorder and it can cause tremors, dizziness etc.

 

Hope you get some answers soon as the not knowing is the worst :hearts_circle:


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yorkie9668
Hi and welcome to the forum but so sorry you are suffering. I do hope the neurologist can get to the bottom of it and you get your MRI soon.

 

If all comes back negative then I would look into fibromyalgia which is similar to ME and MS but, unlike ME, there is widespread pain. The latest research suggests a central nervous system disorder and it can cause tremors, dizziness etc.

 

Hope you get some answers soon as the not knowing is the worst :hearts_circle:

 

 

Thanks for the info on fibromyalgia, I have had a look, and yes some of the symptoms seem the same, but I can say when I thought my illness actually was triggered, back in May 1994 I was driving in France, I was very ill and had been for a few days, on the Wednesday of that week I collasped while climbing out of my truck in Chalon-sur-Saone, I was rushed to the local Hospital where they discovered I had Pneumonia.

 

I nearly died, it was the same week that Mark McManus died of Pneumonia (Taggart), roughly a year or so after my first symptoms started, quite unnoticable at first, but I knew there was something not right happening in my body.

 

Back in late 1999 I contacted my Docs and told them I was having these weird sensations, my head seemed to go light, and my coordination was all off, they checked me over once back in England, and said they thought it was just exhaustion, gradually my symptoms became worse, and in 2000 I went to see a Professor Stanley at Seacroft Hospital in Leeds, with my medical history but no MRI I was diagnosed has having M.E. ( CFS).

 

Up until Sept 1999 I had had my own buisness, but sadly I had to stop trading, but managed to keep from Bankruptcy, it seemed to me that they used this has an angle, and said I was depressed, to which I can tell you I have never being depressed, I am one of the most outgoing people you could ever meet, always up for a laugh etc etc....

 

My alledged M.E. ( CFS) has never made me want to spend time in bed, I have tried my best since the DX to work, often driving, sometimes been a Transport Manager, but sadly I have had a few periods off work in the 9 years due to too much Fatigue and concentration problems, I was working again as a Lorry Driver up until the 26th of August, when I had to finally stop because I could not get my right eye and my head to meet, and my orientation and balance had totally gone.

 

The biggest problem form day 1 is my head, it has never felt right, but trying to explain exactly how I feel or what the sensation is to a doctor is very hard, like I have said before they think you are mad when you try to explain to them you're symtoms, only yesterday Sarah and I were at York Hospital, climbing stairs was really hard and a very weird sensation happened, I felt like my legs were hollow.

 

Fingers crossed my MRI finds what is wrong?

 

Thanks all, sorry for the long post, Mark

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Michelle

Hi Mark,

 

My CFS doesn't always put me in bed. I try and use specific tools to keep me up and about.These help me fight the good fight. The MRI might show up problems - it might not. However, at least you will have that test out of the way,and will know if there's something there or not.

 

Good Luck

 

Michelle :hearts_circle:

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yorkie9668
Hi Mark,

 

My CFS doesn't always put me in bed. I try and use specific tools to keep me up and about.These help me fight the good fight. The MRI might show up problems - it might not. However, at least you will have that test out of the way,and will know if there's something there or not.

 

Good Luck

 

Michelle :shakehead:

 

Thanks Michelle,

 

Whatever I have, it has never put me in bed, I normally go about 11pm, and arise at 7 to 8, always have.

It has never given me the urge or need to go to bed, apart from when I drove my lorry, if it was going to be a long day I would sometimes grab an hour in the afternoon, but not for any other reason but to recharge my batteries, especially if I would be driving late into the evening/night time.

 

See what happens soon hopefully, Mark

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Michelle

The mind boggles. What on earth made them think ME? Your sleep pattens sound perfectly normal to me,and I'm not a doctor.

 

Michelle :shakehead:

 

 

P.S No need to reply I have just found the answer in your first post.

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DizzyDora

A belated :hearts_circle: from me.

 

hugz DD

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yorkie9668

Morning, just to keep you all up to date, still no Mary, 5 days O.N.O. lol, poor Sarah has major backache, fingers crossed she arrives ahead of time ???

 

Quick question, for years now my Docs have kept trying meon Anti-Depressants, which have never worked, so when I turned up to see one 4 weeks ago, I explained I had really bad headaches, they prescribed some pills for it, but only last Friday I noticed they were more Anti-Depressants.

 

My fault I should have read the instructions inside the box, but both sarah and I believed they had precribed a drug to help with the headaches, it was not until I started having major Diarrhea that Sarah decided to look at the leathlet in the box, they are called "Amitriptyline" and I was to take 50mg an hour before I went to bed, they had not helped my headaches at all in 4 weeks, but now I know why.

 

Why am I being treated as a child by my Doctors?

Surely they should have explained that they were going to prescribe A/D's?

 

Maybe they just think I am an Hypochondriac, after complaining with these symptoms after so many years, I wish I was, then at least I could get on with my life, the pains I am feeling are real, but because my arms and legs are not falling off they cannot see them, thankfully I will be seen by a Specialist who knows the signs.

 

Personally I feel sorry for anyone with genuine M.E. or MS, becuase the way Doctors treat you before you have a full and explained DX can sometimes leave you more and more confused, I know there are some really understanding Doctors out there, I just wish I had one here at my Surgery, if I am diaganosed with MS I will be changing Surgeries.

 

Sorry that is my Monday morning rant over with, hope everyone is fine, I will keep you posted on Mary's arrival, Mark

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Tania B

Mark,

 

I don't know much, but the drug that you were described is a tricyclic antidepressant, which I think is sometimes prescribed to help neurological pain. I know it is prescribed for people with migraines or migraine related dizziness. That group of drugs is also given for some bladder problems. I'm sure some others here would know more.

 

It makes one so cross when doctors don't say what a drug is and what it it is intended to target. You are not child but an adult who should have a right to make his own informed decisions!! You deserve some respect.

 

Best wishes

 

Tania

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Christina

Mark

 

Tania is right amitriptyline is commonly prescribed for migraines and not just for depression. Lots of drugs have different uses, especially the ones used in neurological stuff. You're right it is primarily an A/D but don't be worried into thinking the GP sees you as depressed, I'm sure it's not that - he's just prescribing one of the more commonly used drugs for headaches.

 

Best wishes

Chris xx


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Hi Mark,

They gave me that last week for sleep problems. 10mg to start

 

I am wondering if I can cut them in half and start with a low dose...anyone any idea Thanks Lindsxxx


Lindsx

 

 

 

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